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kunou126
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PostSubject: A discussion of alignment   Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:19 am

Sorry... there were a couple threads that started a discussion of alignment and its a good topic to discuss... just not as sub bullets to the prior threads that are more RP related. I'd like to put up my view on Lawful/Chaos as an alignment as a start to the discussion and I welcome thoughts and feedback.

One thing to note about alignment is it is a discussion of the moral compass of a character and sets a guideline for how a character behaves. Please note that it is only a general guideline... it is not a requirement on a character's actions.

Lawful and chaotic are a tough concepts to understand.

Lawful does not mean "always complies with laws".

Lawful means any combination of "patterned", "traditionalistic", or "guided by rules and principles". The knights are a lawful order because it is steeped in tradition and guided by certain principles, not the least of which is the knights' creed, "My honor is my life".

In the same sense, Chaotic does not mean "breaks laws all the time."

Chaotic means "unpredictable" or "creative".

This concept cannot be seen any more clearly than when you look at the alignment bound character classes.

Required Lawful Classes: Monk, Paladin, Dwarven Defender. This is because these classes are required to live as part of an order that has its own creedo for life and traditions that it lives by. One of the Monk orders is devoted to murder and assassinations - two things that are illegal in every society.

Required Non-Lawful Classes: Barbarian, Bard. This is not because they are a bunch of theiving rule breakers. In the Bard's case its because his powers stem from creativity unleashed which cannot occur in someone who's life is patterned, ordered, and boring. The barbarian's strength comes from his rage. This chaotic mood swing is the primary function of the class and indicates the class has a unpredicatble element at its core - despite the fact that many barbarians adhere to honor and tribal traditions.

If it were about following societal laws, why is the class most associated with larsony and theft underrepresented in the "non-lawful" category? The rogue? And how about Assassins... the class name implies they break societal law, yet they have to be evil - but there's no restriction on lawful.

So... where societal laws are concerned, a lawful character is no more likely to respect and adhere to societal laws than a chaotic one. Hell, their creedo as a member of their order could put them in direct conflict with certain laws of the land. Lets use the earlier (used in another topic) police example. If a paladin were to live in modern times and they saw 5 police beating a helpless and handcuffed man (as is known to happen from time to time) the paladin would be compelled to forcefully stop the police and help the helpless man - despite this being illegal. Justice is a concept that at its core is morally beyond a laws. Hell... for a long time Slavery was legal, but the act wasn't Just. Are you saying that a paladin who visits some land that legally allows for slavery is not supposed to consider that an injustice just because it is the law?

That's my view on it... now you may open fire.
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PostSubject: Re: A discussion of alignment   Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:26 am

Sorry... the question posed was "What is a lawful order?" and it goes on to site examples of orders given by local officials (such as police officers) and being required to comply.

As for the other topic's discussion of the Knight of the Rose, yes, the measure is very clear about the conduct of the knight. They must afford everyone respect, friend or foe. They should challenge and honorably salute all foes, allow foes to collect the bodies of the dead, and perhaps even deliver the body of the foe to the foe's loved ones. And yes there are consequences for in character actions, and there are consequences for the consequences - that's politics. But just as the other two topics were about generally about the event that occurred and the discussion got derailed by an alignment discussion, this topic should not get derailed by a discussion of the event.
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